Tuesday, December 17, 2013

Aw, Geez, I Hope It's Enough...

So, I'm looking at gun safes, because after the unholy hell I went through with this move, I'm thinking that it's going to be a LOOOONG time before I move again. It's time to buy a *real* gun safe, not just the stamped metal cabinets that have been used thus far. I may have found the safe for the G. armory:


Cannon Armory Series 54. Five feet tall. Four feet wide. Two and a half feet deep. Capacity of 80 firearms. Fireproof rated for 30 minutes. Built-in outlet and USB port. I like this safe. One of the things I like most is the EMP locking mechanism. It has a keypad for rapid access to the safe, but it also has a standard tumbler in case of power outage or other disruption.

Now, I understand that when they say "80 guns", they're talking about 80 single shot .22LR rifles. Generally speaking, the rating is good for about half of what they claim when you factor in things like bull barrels, optics, and other accessories. Given the guns that I own currently, this safe should be good for, well, okay, maybe a month or so before I outgrow it...

Anyone have any experience with Cannon safes? I'm looking to shell out a not-inconsequential amount of money for this safe, and reviews of Cannon safes are mixed. I wonder if the problem is that Cannon sells a line of "box store" safes along with their direct line? Something tells me that the $600 safe from CostCo and the safe above are about as comparable as a Cadillac CTS and a Chevy Aveo...

Thoughts/suggestions/comments welcome!

That is all.

21 comments:

nguyenhm16 said...

Read this thread on ARFCOM, it is very informative:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_46/401046_Questions_for_AMSEC_TheSafeGuy.html

That said not everyone needs a super duper secure safe. Cannons are made in China just like the $600 Costco special, and just as secure, but sometimes that's all your really need.

Anonymous said...

I've a smaller version and no real complaints. Battery key pad on mine and would probably go with a dial next time. No I'm not worried about EMP, just need to replace batteries from time to time.

Michael Bane went on a tantrum about Cannon safes a few years ago. Check the archives of his blog.

Gerry

Anonymous said...

Jay,

Michael Bane had a series of posts over at his blog about his experiences with Cannon. See http://michaelbane.blogspot.com/search?q=%22cannon+safe%22, for details. Short version, their "lifetime warranty" wasn't, and their customer service was terrible. I bought a Liberty on his recommendation, and am quite happy with it.

phred said...

I purchased a Liberty save on BAG day this year and have been very happy with it thus far. Their warranty is great and I have heard good things about their customer service.

Anonymous said...

Jay,
Check out Bighorn safes. They are very reasonable and have double the fire time of most. I'm very happy with mine.
Randy

Brad_in_MA said...

Jay,

Send a note to my bud Alan . . . he traded some Jaguar Stuff for a BIG HEAVY safe. His is a MONSTER.

- Brad

Anonymous said...

Jay,

Check out how manufacturers get at their fire ratings. You'll see most hit peak temp for just a few minutes. Cannon (NOT MADE IN CHINA) test their safes at peak temp for the entire duration. So, 60 minute rated safes are at max temp for 60 minutes.

The Packetman said...

Kathy Jackson had a locksmith write an article about firearm security in the home and it describes what the differences between a safe and a 'gun' safe are.

Like most things in life, you pays your money and you takes your chance.

Zach Billings said...

I think you should look at shelling out for the Commander 54 instead. Cannon is great but I don't think a 30 minute fire rating is sufficient given the enormity of the investment going in the safe. 60 would be good but with the value of the contents in a safe that big I feel like only 90 minutes will do. Most house fires aren't nearly that long but don't forget a 30 minute rating means the AVERAGE interior temp won't exceed 350F (THREE HUNDRED FIFTY DEGREES!) for 30 minutes. That means at the top of the safe it might be 400-450 and even at 350 much of your gear may be damaged. My Patriot 14 is good for 60 minutes and I only think that's adequate because it wouldn't be containing more than $10,000 in guns and none of my guns are irreplaceable (family items or one-of-a-kind) so insurance coverage is sufficient.

Wally said...

I spent my money on a Cannon (tho it's rebranded). I was sure to get a 90-minute fire rating, and a door with active bolts on all 4 edges.

Realize that it isnt 90 minutes of fire, but 90 minutes of heat - as the house burns around it, and it falls into the basement full of hot embers...

And numbers are grossly optimistic, moreso if you start getting into pocket artillery or water cooled :-)

libertyman said...

Well pleased with my Champion-but I don't think I would get an electronic lock. I like the mechanical one that is on mine.

Look for a used one on Craigslist or something.

When you want to move it though, let me know. I'm busy that day.

Stretch said...

I'm thinking a rotary safe for my next safe. Makes access much easier.
http://www.pendletonsafes.com/
http://www.bartelarmory.com/vaults/vault-360/

ZerCool said...

I had a Cannon 7240 from Tractor Supply at the house in NY. It was, quite simply, huge - 72" high and 40" wide, and about 22" deep if I recall. Essentially fridge-sized, but it weighed just shy of 900lb empty. Electronic lock only. I was pretty happy with it, and was VERY happy I'd gotten the "tall-wide" instead of just "wide" - the extra foot of space at the top was perfect for keeping the family silver, important documents, and so forth. Only negative to it in my eyes was that it only had active bolts on one side.

Once you start getting much past that width (40"), things like turn radius become a serious question - you can't just tilt it up and smush it a little like a slightly-too-big-for-the-door mattress.

Here in MO I've downsized to a Winchester 24-gun setup that's shorter, narrower, and 250lb lighter. It's JAMMED. I'm already starting to put away pennies for another similar one, because I don't want to deal with paying movers for a big one again, OR the "all eggs in one basket" approach.

The Winchester is much more solidly built, too - heavier gauge steel, nicer interior, and active bolts on all four sides of the door.

Ritchie said...

Delivery up 9 steps was an extra $350. And probably worth it. Check the specifics. I knew a guy who had a safe in almost every room, and not small ones. Then he moved to Wyoming. He's a large burly guy, but not that much.

God, Gals, Guns, Grub said...

We have a Canon safe... have had it for about five years now... in and out of it multiple times each day... 72" high x 40" wide x 27" deep... holds about half the guns it's rated for.. and still being able to get them in and our without having to empty the front rows to get to the back rows... we like the taller safe because the shelves above the long guns are great for pistols, mags, etc. and we also have pistol holsters on the inside of the safe door...

We only had the electronic lock option when we bought ours... have an 18" Golden Rod dehumidifier in it which works well... and it's bolted to the floor and wall... we replace the lock battery once a year... with a lithium 9-volt...

No complaints... cost $125 to have it delivered and set in place five years ago...

Dann in Ohio

Little Buddy said...

I have 1 and I love it, like dan in Ohio said get the taller one for longer rifles and shot guns. If possible get the manual combination don't get the electronic key pad, we had a fire and the electronic keypad melted off and water was able to get into the safe.and also because of it we were unable to get into the safe for about a month which caused lot of other problems to the guns electronics in the safe show my opinion a manual combination is the only way to go

Ken O said...

I had the Winchester like Zercool, with the manual combination. I loved it. Unfortunately it and most of its contents were victims of the divorce. (Very sad trombone) It was possible to move it with one man and a damned good dolly. With ten long guns, it left room to store the desktop with the finances on it when I left the country. If you need that much space, get 2. Also, a pallet and pallet jack are not a bad way to maneuver it from the truck bed into the house and around the house if you have tile. Use 2x4s, quality plywood and the bike ramp.

Doug said...

I own a Cannon and the only thing I have to add is I don't like the door not having external hinges. Because the hinge side of the door is made to swing under the outer shell (no bolts on that side) for security, the door only swings, maybe, 135 degrees. A door with hinges and bolts swings open about 180 degrees. My next safe will have the external hinges and hinge side locking bolts.
Doug

Anonymous said...

Jay,

Check out http://www.gunsafes.com/Gun-Safes.html?pi=2

All sales include shipping and set up. I wish I had found them earlier. They also sell scratch and dent items at a pretty good discount if you are interested in that.

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I like Cannon safes. Very durable and the EMP locking mechanism is great. It's very wise to invest on high quality safes for your precious collections going in it. This one's definitely a great choice.

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Lacey Rockwell said...

I really like the size of this safe. I have always grown up with guns in my house, so when I got married, we had to have guns. I would really like to get all of my guns from my parents, but we don't have a safe. We don't need a huge one, one this size would be perfect.

http://bellowslocksmith.com/safes/2477326