Tuesday, August 6, 2013

Another One Of Jay's Crazy Ideas...

There is definitely something wrong with me. After shooting Matt's AMT AutoMag III in .30 Carbine, and witnessing the spectacular fireball, I had the craziest of ideas.

How about a scandium frame/titanium cylinder J-frame with a 6-round cylinder in .30 Carbine?

I'll bet the fireball would be nothing short of magnificent! Now, my recollection is that .30 Carbine is about as powerful as a stout .38 Special +P round, so you'd be gaining a round without sacrificing any power. If you could squeeze 7 rounds into the cylinder that'd be great, but I just don't think there's enough room to do it. Wonder if you could get 8 rounds in an L-frame cylinder? Or 10 in an N-frame? Boy, howdy, an N-frame with a 10 round cylinder and a 8 3/8" barrel would be pretty flippin' amazing, too.

Now, Wally checked the specs, and the OAL of .30 Carbine is like a millimeter longer than a .357 Magnum. Unfortunately, even the .44 Magnum isn't as long as that, and you have to move into the .454 Casull range before you find a cartridge with an OAL that meets or exceeds the .30 Carbine. So you could get a 4" barrel X-frame revolver with a 10 - 12 round cylinder... Unless, of course, you move up to the S&W Governor, which since it is chambered for .410 would easily be long enough. Six rounds of .45 ACP should give enough room for 8 .30 Carbine. That'd be something right there...

Hmmm. Maybe this idea isn't as crazy as I thought. Now, Taurus at one point in time made one of their "Raging Bull" revolvers in .30 Carbine. Ruger still makes their Blackhawk in .30 Carbine - maybe I could get them to graft a .30 Carbine cylinder to a SP101 frame and get a 6-shot SP101? Boy, that'd be something too. Heck, put the .30 Carbine cylinder into the SP101 with a 2" barrel. Or stretch the LCR frame, ooh, I wonder if that's possible... The goal, in case you're wondering, is to get a fireball visible from space out of a handgun. I'm thinking something on par with a Mosin Nagant M44 or Wally's AK-54 here.

So, what crazy pairings would you like to see?

That is all.

16 comments:

Mopar said...

Well, if you're just looking for the fireball factor, why not 7.62x54r in a handgun length barrel?
Hmmm... this is probably quite doable on the Encore frame.......

Angus McThag said...

Best stay away from Florida from now on, Jay, this kind of thinking will get you Baker Act'd.

Ancient Woodsman said...

A handgun-length Garand with maybe a 10-12" barrel, if it could be done. That would be neat. Except for the part of the clip hitting you in the face when shooting from the hip, it would be a fun firearm on principle alone.

I don't think the Blackhawk cylinder would fit in an SP101 frame, but the slightly smaller diameter old-style Blackhawk or Vaquero cylinder probably would work in one of the 3" GP100s. 6 or 7 rounds of .30 Carbine in a 3" GP100 would sell.

For fun still: a Merwin & Hulbert 4" in .30 carbine!





Mopar said...

Well, we already did the 30-06 Garand round in an 11 inch barreled handgun at the blogshoot Saturday (video to come). Sounds like Jay wants to kick it up another notch.

David aka True Blue Sam said...

Hmmmm...Think of your ears in the morning.

Check out how many rounds you could fit in a Redhawk cylinder, or the cylinder for a S & W 500 Mag.

Dave H said...

A couple years ago I saw a photo from one of the national shows of a Derringer-sized pistol loaded with 7.62x54R. They claimed it was CA compliant because the bullets protruding from the ends of the barrels provided a loaded chamber indication. (It was obviously a gag to promote their other dinky pistols, but I don't remember whose display it was.)

Geodkyt said...

I don't think it would be quite as spectacular as an XP100 in .223, but still pretty flamey, especially in a snubbie barrel. (Think of the cylinder gap flash!)

Ought to be be pretty "jumpy" (Susan's description of handgun recoil), too.

A bit off topic to discuss how the .30 Carbine is about equal to a .38 Special -- that comparison doesn;t work out from a 2"-4" barrel with a cylinder gap, necessarily. LOL

But teh idea is sick enough, I want to fire it, and I HATE the scandium/faery fart frame guns. {chuckle}

Mopar said...

AW, we did the 30-06 Garand caliber in an 11 inch handgun Saturday at the blogshoot. I think Jay is jooking to kick things up another notch in the fireball dept.

Ritchie said...

There must still be some revolvers in .357 Max floating around. It fell out of favor because of excessive erosion of the forcing cone and top strap.

Bubblehead Les. said...

STOP! Time for the Old Men to put an end to this Foolishness. Ruger TRIED the .30 Carbine in a Revolver back in the '60s. You could get a Blackhawk in that caliber. Turned out to be a Jamamatic. .30 Carbine has a Taper that goes from .360 at the Base down to .331 at the Case Mouth. What happened was that one could get one, maybe two shots off, but the recoil would drive the Cartridges in the Cylinder Backward due to the Taper, and then the Rotation of the Cylinder would come to a Stop. So it didn't last long.

Plus, it just wasn't that good a round out of a Pistol. My old Speer #10 Reloading Manual from the early '80s has some Recipes, and one is looking at a MAX of 1589 fps for the 100 grain load in a 7 1/2 inch Blackhawk, and 1418 fps MAX for the 110 grain Standard Bullet in a 7 1/2 inch barrel. Try it out of a Snub, you've about, what, 300 fps? Now you're down to the .32 H+R Magnum Class?

Then you're forgetting the most important factor of them all: Price. There's no more Mil-Surp .30 Carbine left in the Gooberment Warehouses. It's all Gone, Kaput, Fineato, Out of Here. IF you can find Commercial .30 Carbine, you're talking a $1 a round, plus Tax. And the Ammo Companies ain't making much of any. Just look at what Hornady announced. They're gonna concentrate on about a Dozen calibers, and everything else is "Suspended".

So I'm sorry to Pee in your Pepsi, but it's just like the old movie: Reality Bites.

Bubblehead Les. said...

That's LOST about 300 fps.

Mopar said...

Match Grade Machine will make an Encore barrel in 7.62x54R in any length down to 9 inches. Hmmmmm........

Captain Wheelgun said...

There is already an equivalent to your idea out there, Jay. It's the S&W 632 in .327 Federal Magmum. This little hummer can push a 100 gr bullet to 1,400 fps out of a 3" barrel. In a rifle length barrel, it easily equals .30 Carbine delocity & energy.

See the test at BBTI... http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/327mag.html

I love my little 632. It has easily as much noise & general obnoxiousness as the Snubbie from Hell, but with lower recoil and an extra round. Plus, it will also shoot .32 ACP, .32 S&W, .32 S&W Long, and .32 H&R Magnum. Unfortunately, I don't think it's in production at this time :-(

Captain Wheelgun said...

Err, that should be '.30 Carbine Velocity' :-(

Darn spell checker in my head malfed...

Stretch said...

Dad has a .30 Carbine Blackhawk with a 7 1/2 inch bbl.
The FLASH out of that is enough to warn you to wear SPF-30 when shooting .30 out of a snubbie from beyond hell.

Michael in CT said...

I have a Ruger Blackhawk in 30 Carbine with a 7.5" barrel. It's a lot of fun to shoot, lots of flash and obnoxious muzzle blast for spectators, but mild recoil.
With brass cased ammo I've never had a problem with it locking up.