Wednesday, May 29, 2013

Now This Is Cool...

Stickman (who is one of the guys in MA that this applies to) sent this in:


I find it interesting that MA - home of some of the toughest gun laws in the country, has as many machine guns as they do. CA is no surprise when you consider the size of the state and Hollywood. The real surprise is CT - the only thing I can figure is that Colt must have had some sort of deal going with their employees in 1986 right before the Hughes Amendment. The other surprising one is Maryland - not exactly a pro-gun state; I wonder if Beretta has anything to do with that.

And the winner? Virginia, of all places. 24,551 registered machine guns in the Old Dominion, more than 1800 more than the next closest state (Florida, home Mr. NoPants). The state with the lowest number would be Delaware, home of Joe Biden so I guess no surprise there (it's hard to have a fully automatic double barrel shotgun...) I'd be curious to follow where they got their numbers, as I assume that law enforcement machine guns must figure into the equation - several states listed as having registered machine guns don't permit their citizens to own them...

And we all know that Wally is the reason Maine is so blue...

That is all.


Anonymous said...

We have a no Full-Auto law in place here from the 90s, but we as of 2 years ago, allow suppressors.

Considering the relative price of suppressors vs. the multi-thousand dollar entrant into full-auto, I think we win over the PRM. Due to FEDERAL law, full-auto is a rich man's hobby.

I'm not happy about that and would vote in a second to fix it, but there it is.

That Mass. has such a high proportion of full-auto owners is more in keeping of it's rich-people population relative to the rest of the country than it is to any virtue of the PRM, which outlaws virtually ALL my guns unless I put a neutered mag in them, and quite a few because they've failed to pay the necessary bribe. (Springfield, Colt, Glock, et al)

Bill Nance in Washington State.

David aka True Blue Sam said...

Illinois does not allow citizens to own full auto firearms or suppressors, so the 15,000 listed must all be in the hands of police. That averages close to 150 full auto guns per county. Most of them are probably in Cook County.

Mopar said...

I know that chart shows the number in civilian hands? think it probably more accurately shows the large number manufactured in CT, MA, and the other high numbered states since I'm guessing they need to be initially registered by the manufacturer (Wally? Yes/no?).
It might also show the higher level of police militarization in those states. Last, like Bill above me mentioned, it just might be a testament to the affluence of those states that there are more people who have the level of disposable income usually needed to be an active member of the full auto club.

Mopar said...

I meant to say I DON'T know that the chart shows just the number in civilian hands.

Alan said...

1. Cops are civilians.

2. The NFA list is notoriously inaccurate.

Wally said...

That chart is not close to correct.

There are far far more shown in that chart than in the NFRTR logs for transferable machine guns.

Of course the NFRTR is wrong, but it shall not be questioned. But it's not *that* wrong.

ATF does publish NFA numbers by state, so if this was legit (or in synch with the ATF/NFA numbers) there would be numbers shown for Alaska.

-Wally (solid blue today, nothing to do with this reason)

Geodkyt said...

The list is not necessarily "transferrable" guns. Ones registered for police use (Form 10?) would be included.

I am proud to live in the machinegunniest state of the Union, and look forward to adding to our numbers by at least one.

Anonymous said...

Wally, I would think this includes all the M16's on loan from the military to local LEO, which are NOT NFA items. The numbers don't make sense otherwise, particularly in Washington State, (which is the only state that I have close knowledge about.) Many of the Sheriffs Deputies in WA State have select fire M16's that are technically still owned by the military.

The other Bill in Washington

bob r said...

Washington is not *quite* a " no Full-Auto" place. RCW 9.41.190 Unlawful firearms — Exceptions provides:
(3) It shall be an affirmative defense to a prosecution brought under this section that the machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle was acquired prior to July 1, 1994, and is possessed in compliance with federal law.

So there are at least a few NFA weapons in non-governmental hands in WA.