Tuesday, February 12, 2013

Pistol/Carbine Combos...

Ooh, here's an interesting one. Brad_in_MA writes in with a tough question:
In light of all the AR pattern rifles having been scooped up, I got to thinking . . . . what kind of "pistol" and carbine combo could be had which is also MA compliant?  I put pistol in quotes because something like a Smith & Wesson 686 with a .357-chambered lever action rifle would be a potent combo as well.  If we're talking semi-auto pistol, the idea would be to have one set of magazines shared between the carbine & the pistol, such as a Kel-tec Sub2000 that would accept Beretta 92 mags.  

This hits on a double whammy - the MA "Assault Weapon" ban as well as the Approved Firearms Roster {spit}. I'll answer Brad's question, then open it up to a more general one.

For MA-specific combos, especially the shared magazine one, there are very few available. The pistol has to be MA-approved; the carbine has to be AWB-compliant, and neither can take new standard capacity magazines. They either have to eat from 10 round magazines or have pre-ban available. 

First up, I'll offer the Kel-Tec SUB2000 carbine. It's completely AWB compliant, and comes configured to take Glock 17 or 19, SIG SAUER P226, Beretta 92, or S&W model 59 magazines, all of which are pre-ban. The P226 and 92FS are MA-compliant; the Glock and S&W are old enough to have versions available. I'm finishing up a review of the SUB2000 right now, and so far it has performed very well.

The KRISS Vector has an AWB-compliant version, and the Glock 21 is possible to find in MA although not on the roster. This has the advantage of being in .45 ACP, which is G-d's Own Pistol caliber, but it's also more expensive. For those with the time to search, a Marlin Camp Carbine in .45 ACP is certainly AWB compliant and there are a number of 1911s. There are exotic options like the Mech-Tech conversion kit that allows you to turn a 1911 or Glock into a carbine, but that's getting a little outside the scope of this exercise.

Beyond that, it really gets more difficult. There's the Beretta CX4 Storm, which is AWB-compliant; however the matching pistol version, the PX4, is not on the Roster. Hi-Point makes a pretty inexpensive carbine, but their pistols are not MA compliant. HK's semi-automatic USC .45 ACP carbine is compliant, but uses a magazine different from their pistol line.

Alternately, there's going old-school - a lever- or pump- action .357 Magnum or .44 Magnum rifle and a revolver. Most if not all of the revolvers available from Smith & Wesson and Ruger are available in MA, and the rifles are 100% AWB compliant - even the 15 round .38 Special versions (because it's a fixed magazine). One of the advantages to this set-up in my opinion is that you can have a CCW piece (J-frame), a larger (K- or N-frame) for belt carry, and a lever action rifle for hunting out to 100 yards.

So, what other combinations are there for a pistol caliber carbine and a pistol?

That is all.

10 comments:

Lupis42 said...

While it'd be hard to find in MA, I'd love to have a BFR in .45-70, with matching Marlin Guide Gun and Sharps...

Bubblehead Les. said...

True Story. My Nephew the Navy EOD Tech is about to be shipped off to Afghanistan for a year (to train the Afghan Army on how to build new and better IEDs for the Taliban, I guess) and he's run into that same problem. You see, when he comes home in a year, he's heading back to the VolksRepublik of Kalifornia. Now, with their Draconian Edicts, he's going to have to leave his Ar, his Sig 5.56, his H+K Hi-Cap 9mm back here in Ohio. And since he's going back with his Bride and Baby, he's NOT going to defend himself with a Claw Hammer and 911.

So he decided to roll with a Marlin Lever Gun in .357, and I'm on a Mission to get him a couple of .357 Revolvers. But since the price of decent .357 Magnums have gone through the Roof in my neck of the woods (Taurus 66 for $50 ABOVE MSRP!?), I'm glad I have a year.

But if Push comes to Shove, the Bare Minimum could be a Ruger 10/22 and a .22 Pistol.

Or go Cowboy with a .45/.357 Peacemaker Clone and Lever Gun.

Or, if you could find one, a Marlin Camp Carbine in .45 ACP and a 1911.

But the fact that we are having this "Conversation" at all SUCKS!

Dave H said...

If you want to share mags with your 10/22, there's the ZIP pistol that's just become available. I don't know what it's status is in MA. I believe the Ruger Charger uses 10/22 magazines as well.

One of these days I plan to own a .44 mag revolver and lever gun.

Anonymous said...

The Marlin 1894FG in .41 Magnum and a S&W M57 or M657 revolver in the same
caliber might be a thought.

I have thunk that thought.

Daddy Hawk said...

I do not know their MA compliance since I live free in Texas, but there are two options you didn't mention. Lone Wolf Distributors makes the G9 carbine in 9mm, .40, .357 Sig and .45 compatible with Glock Mags. There is/was also the JR Carbine which takes Glock and other mags if web info is to be believed. Rock River Arms makes the LAR-9 and LAR-40 which are AR style PCCs. Undoubtedly they would run afoul of the AWB setting aside the fact that they are pricey. Ruger used to make the PC9 and PC4 carbines on the 10/22 platform beefed up for the bigger rounds. Finding one is about as hard as finding a marlin camp carbine.

AuricTech said...

Some Cx4 Storm carbines (including mine) take Beretta 92 magazines out of the box. For those Cx4 carbines built to take Px4 Storm magazines, there's an adapter you can install to allow them to accept 92 magazines.

Rifleman762 said...

Although they don't share mags, an M1 Carbine and an Automag would be a nice pair (alternatively, a Ruger Blackhawk in .30 Carbine). Not semiautomatic, but the folks at Special Interest Arms (aptly named) do Enfield conversions that include .45 ACP with 1911 mags or 7.62x39 with AK mags. Pairing an AK pistol with an Enfield would certainly be an odd sight. One might also combine an Uzi pistol with a full size Uzi, but at this point I've gone over the deep end.

Oddball said...

Like AuricTech said, the Beretta Cx4 can take Px4, Cougar, or 92/96 mags depending on which magazine sleeve it has installed. My .40cal Cx4 takes 96 mags, and I've read that it's not too difficult to change the sleeves.

One thing that would give the revolver caliber carbines (.357mag, .44, etc) an edge is that the longer barrel of the carbines see an increase in the bullet performance, which I've been told doesn't really happen with 9mm or .40cal. I know that Buffalo Ammo claims to make a 125grain .357mag that will out perform 30-30 when used in an 18' barrel.

LCB said...

I have a Hi-Point carbine in 9mm. It's a fun little toy...but not something to rely on. It's finiky about it's ammo...

Mr. Kermit said...

Since no one else has said it yet, I'm gonna go for the practical, yet ridiculous, in the revolver/lever combo...

Ruger Super Redhawk and a Rossi Puma, both in .454 Casull.

... Yes, I want both of them.