Friday, August 17, 2012

Friday Gun Pr0n #280

Well, as I hinted in my post earlier this week, I have a new T&E gun in the lineup. This is one I've had my eye on for a while, and I talked to the folks who make it at SHOT Show about possibly getting a sample for testing. This company has been trying to keep up with the incredible demand for their products, and it finally showed up:


Yes, that's a Kel-Tec SUB2000 pistol caliber folding carbine. It's in 9mm and in the configuration that takes SIG SAUER P226 magazines (I have about a dozen pre-ban mags); they also have configurations for the Glock 17 and 19, the Beretta 92, and the Smith & Wesson model 59 double stack 9mm magazines. They also have .40 S&W carbines available for the same magazines (minus the model 59, of course) if one so desired the .40 S&W cartridge.

I had the chance to run a few magazines through the SUB2000 at the Northeast Bloggershoot, and while by no means exhaustive, some 60 rounds (4 magazines) went through with no issue. This was literally taking the gun out of the box, loading in a magazine, and start shooting - no wipe-down, oiling, etc. was performed. Accuracy was very hard to determine - the Bloggershoot is a bit of a free-for-all, target-wise - but it will be more thoroughly tested in future outings.

I think I'll need to do a video, though, to show the folding mechanism. It's really cool - I feel like saying "G. Jay G." a la James Bond. When folded, it's barely 16" long and 7" wide, so it fits into a briefcase or messenger bag easily. I suspect that one of the larger pistol rugs would cover it as well - the largest I have barely fits an 8" barrel Smith & Wesson revolver and came pretty close.

It's a neat concept and I look forward to putting some serious rounds through it!

That is all.

17 comments:

Mr.B said...

IF they made one in .45 I'd buy one.

Neat gun, but watch yourself on the op lever in the stock. It bites.

greg said...

I have had one of these on my 'want/don't need' list for a while. If they made one for CZ-75 mags, it would move up the list...but even then, Glock mags are common enough that I could certainly make room for one in my safe...

Jay G said...

Mr. B.,

Not to give too much away, but I'm working on something on that front as well... :)

I didn't notice any issue with the op-rod, but then again I only ran a couple mags through it (I think Mopar and Mrs. Doubletrouble each ran a mag through it as well, and I don't recall any issues).

greg,

See, the P226 compatibility sold me. I've had a P226 for years now, and have accumulated over a dozen pre-ban magazines for it. This is the second T&E gun I haven't had to have the age-old debate with myself: "Do I buy magazines for a gun I may not own?"

(The first was the Ruger 10/22 Takedown...)

Bubblehead Les. said...

Yeah, that one is on my "Just in Case/B.O. Bag List." But I want the model that takes the 59 series mags, and that version is harder to find than a Conservative Massachusetts Republican Politician!

Bram said...

I bet the carbine is easy to shoot accurately. I'm far more accurate with my cheapo Hi-Point carbine than any target pistol.

I nice extra benefit - that long barrel puts over 100 fps extra ompf behind that bullet.
http://www.yankeegunnuts.com/2012/07/16/ballistics-testing-pistol-caliber-carbine/

ExurbanKevin said...

I'm DEFINITELY looking for your review on this one. The Sub2k looks like a great choice for a Bug-Out Gun: Something that's light, decently accurate and takes common magazines.

TerriLiGunn said...

So want, and in the very models I want too, I love my sig. Sig p226 have been a life long friend for me. First gun I ever shot at 6 years old. Now there is a carbine that takes its mags? Sold!

Erin Palette said...

Yes, there's something very James Bond/ G.I. Joe about the Sub-2000. Just holding it made me feel like running around a playground shouting "pew pew pew!"

BTW, Jay, you're a year late. I reviewed the S2K a year ago. Ironically, you've already gotten more comments than my review did. :(

Erin Palette said...

WTF was I thinking? That's not ironic. I blame Alanis for that horrible misuse of vocabulary.

Anonymous said...

Wow I was close. Let us know what you think.
Riley

Craig said...

What is your opinion on the hinge? I considered picking one up at the gun show in .40 a couple of months ago, but the hinge area seemed kind of flimsy. It is cool looking and hard to find.

AuricTech said...

Do you plan to chronograph rounds fired from this S2K? If so, I'd be interested in seeing the results on Magtech's 92.6 Grain Solid Copper Hollow Point ammunition. Since I also own a 9mm carbine (Beretta Cx4 Storm), I would be very interested in the velocity increase over the Magtech round's factory muzzle velocity of 1330 fps.

And now I've commented on both your preview and Erin's review. As best I can tell, I'm the first to do so (other than Erin herself, of course!). ;-)

Erin Palette said...

@Craig: Don't know if you were talking to me or to Jay, but if you meant me -- I'm no expert, but the hinge seems really solid to me. Yes, it's plastic, but it's damn thick plastic, thicker than the polymer frame on my Glock. I've put nearly 500 rounds through my S2K, if not more, and I've not had a single issue with any part of it.

Rivrdog said...

I have two S2Ks, in 9mm & .40S&W. At 50 yds rested, I get them all into 6", and it opens up to about a foot @ 100. I am a little better with the Nine than the Fotay. I have 33-round mags for the Nine, and they sometimes misfeed the first 3-4 rds. My clone 29-rounder for the .40 work 100% of the time, probably because of the heavier recoil spring. The carbines are totally reliable with the usual pistol mags.

Nate said...

I have an earlier Sub-9 model that I love. The company sells a zippered bag to tote it in that looks like a truck tool kit bag. My gun lives in it's bag with 2 magazines attached, 1 in the well and another in the stock and 3-4 more mags lying inside the bag. It fits under any truck seat and goes with me nearly 100% of the time. It always works, has decent accuracy and puts lots of firepower in a easy to tote case. When I was selling guns to pay bills while out of work, this one was never on the list.

Unknown said...

The sub2k is great. I have one, put 800 rounds through it with 5 failures before I cleaned it the first time (in blocks of 200-250). First 4 failures were due to a blob of gunk that had built up on the ejector and was gluing the spent casings in (removed it with a paperclip, no further problems), 5th was from the 33 round magazine being used as a monopod by a new shooter who was wrenching on it some.

You're going to want to get some manner of cover for the buffer tube, which gets mighty chilly when it's cold. Tacticool Products has one, and a recoil buffer (of moderate use, recoil is so light even 30% reduction is barely noticeable). Put another 100 through it this past weekend to test the recoil buffer and stock extension, had one FTE with the new buffer in it (shortens the stroke a good deal). Further testing is required.

With some use you'll find that the sights are too low: half an inch below where they'd be on something like an AR-1. That can make it difficult to get your eye down to, particularly with earmuffs or large shooting goggles. They're also somewhat obnoxious to adjust. Got plans for fixing that myself though, if I get something workable engineered out I'll send you one to test if you want it. I can also guarantee that you'll want to pick up some manner of stock extension, the roughly 13" length of pull it has stock is just too short.

Erin Palette said...

Unknown: I slipped a Limbsaver pad over the end of mine, more to deal with the rough surface than the recoil, and it makes a big difference.